Curse

PieXags · Jun 11, 2005, 07:25 PM // 19:25

Alright peoples, having beaten the game and gotten the 60k armor and maxed out weapons (or at least as maxed out to the point where it actually matters), and having done all the quests/missions available 1,000 times I find myself growing bored with GW. It's a great game, but unless you absolutely adore the forms of PvP available there isn't much to it after that. I suppose I personally just don't like how everything's set, it's like "Alright, 3, 2, 1---go at it!"

Some people enjoy this sort of small-scale PvP. I personally don't enjoy it that much because even after playing through the tombs going to the HoH, playing in the arenas time and time again...it just seems to be so repetitive. Battles rarely if ever bring anything new or interesting into the experience in PvP, just same classes/builds over and over.

So I got to thinking, what about a giant battlefield? Well not really giant, but you understand what I mean. We already know that zones can play many players without lag as we see in the tombs, but I think I want something more than a set arena where we run around.

What about like a giant battle field, like red vs blue or something. And each team has like a few towns or areas that they primarily reside in. And it's basically like this.

There's some guy, you talk to him, and you go enter the zone. It allows you to choose from the red or blue team (it just controls the team amounts to keep them even), and you then spawn in the teams primary town. Yahoo, great, you and your teammates (all random and what not, just players, like in a normal town) are around selling/trading, etc. And whenever you want with as many people as you can gather, say you can go siege the hell out of the other side. Go attack their towns and fight for them and what not.

This may sound an aweful lot like other MMORPG PvP, where everybody gets ganked---except in this you wouldn't have lvl 89 guys coming through getting hit for 2 damage and dealing out thousands of points to masacre everyone. It'd be fair, so that people could actually fight back and defend their town and they wouldn't have to call out "NEED HIGH LVLS TO PROTECT TOWN, COME QUICK!" Like they do in other games.

It would actually be a war, and I think this could be REALLY exciting. I know I'd be much more likely to play longer if say I could get some friends, enter this arena, form a party in the town and then go run across the lands to their town. But then we find some of the other team in the wild on the way, and have to beat them up. Or say someone types in the chat that we're being screwed over at the 2nd town and that they need help, so we run back and help.

Like a much bigger form of the Arena PvPs, with more people and some actual wilderness and land to explore and fight in, instead of a tiny little arena where you run around in circles after the monk that's left.

I kinda doubt this will ever be implemented...but I personally would enjoy it just to have PvP with a purpose, to protect or to capture towns and what not. There would be no "blue team wins!" or anything, it would ALWAYS be going on. Just like an entirely different PvP section of the game, and it wouldn't be insanely difficult to do either. Just a bigger map with some wilderness, it wouldn't require a "blue team has captured this town" or anything, you'd be able to tell by all the blue guys running around in the red town, and all the red guys dead and respawning elsewhere. Each team could have one respawn little camp that can't be entered by the other team or something to respawn in when they die.

I think both PvP and PvE people would like it, I enjoy a little of both, and I just think it'd be fun. I'm tired of having to stick with my guild and what not for battles...I want to be able to explore and fight you people at the same time! I want to organize big swarms of 15-20 people to go run you out of your town, that sort of thing.

I enjoy PvP, a lot. It's fun, but it gets repetitive, sieges and fighting PvP with a purpose other than "hit people until they die...match over...do it again in the same arena". Now it's hit people and run them out of town while fighting valiantly to keep them out of your area.

Just a thought, won't be implemented problably...but I know of a lot of people who would enjoy some more meaningful PvP, even if they had to pay another $50 for it in an expansion.

ComMan · Jun 11, 2005, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Because Mass of Warriors A vs. Mass of Warriors B will be ton's more interesting that 4 v 4 or 8 v 8 matches?

I agree that there are issues with the same builds being used over and over in the current PvP setup, but as someone who plays all bad classes, I still have fun with it, and I trust the devs.

PieXags · Jun 11, 2005, 11:01 PM // 23:01

To comment on your first statement.

Yes! You see whlie warriors are a very very common class another very common class is the elementalist and their wonderful AoE spells, in the arenas we have right now---they hardly do a damn thing. If there were 15 warriors colliding outside a town fighting for control over the place, a fire storm or a meteor shower would be much cooler, and because of the excess amounts you could actually have other stategies around this because you wouldn't have their warriors dodging your 2 warriors to screw your one caster, it would actually be a battle---not a stupid "beat you up, beat you up, we're done" sort of deal.

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All but the last scene happening in about 40 seconds. That's just...not satisfying...and even in GvG, it's just that on a larger scale, never really a battle for me. I want a WAR damnit! I didn't sign up for a 10 minute game of laser tag when I entered those battles, I went in for a battle. Instead it seems I just go in, we call target...do it again...have someone run around in circles...do it again...

Ok so that wasn't a very well drawn out arena battle, but give me credit for the effort.

ManadartheHealer · Jun 11, 2005, 11:09 PM // 23:09

I love the idea.

A question: The town's that you were defending would have to be like Ascalon Settlement, right?

It would also be cool if there were a guild version of this for guilds with >15 or so people. And you could have to defend your actual hall.

They need this.

relientK_fan · Jun 11, 2005, 11:16 PM // 23:16

This... sounds... stanking... AWESOME DUDE! If they added this, it would be so cool! Lag would be enormous though, bleh. I can see it though. Voice chat would be a no, but it would still be awesome!

eA-Zaku · Jun 11, 2005, 11:38 PM // 23:38

This is a very WoW concept, but seeing how WoW is adding game changes to emulate GW's popularity, I don't see why we can't have more epic WoW style battles for GW. I agree it would be fun, and it would be a good move. It would probably a bitch to implement, though.

PieXags · Jun 11, 2005, 11:52 PM // 23:52

That's what I was thinking, it's a relatively big idea, but I think a large majority of the community would enjoy it, and I know for sure it would enlarge the community as a whole if they added this sort of style PvP.

I don't think lag would be that bad. There would need to be a cap on it, I mean you couldn't have like 100+ people on either side, but well say you're playing in the tombs, 8x4 = you've got 32 people fighting. And I don't lag a bit in the tombs, so I'm positive you could have more a lot of people fighting, just not TOO extreme.

I just think it would be A LOT more interesting, and a lot more addictive. It is in a sense leaning more towards other MMORPGs, you're right. RYL has a style where you just run around and gank everyone, HOWEVER, we wouldn't have to worry about it in this game, because the max lvl is 20 and there are so many level 20's---you could REALLY see how you play with this many people.

Also, I miss exploring things. Having been near everywhere...I never get that "woah, cool" sort of thing I did when I went through the game, I think it would be fun to fight in PvP out in the wilds or something, and if someone runs away---well they're going to run back to their town right? And isn't that what you wanted to do was siege the town? So running monks won't be near as big a deal, and will lead to a lot more fun.

Anyways, thought I'd toss this idea out there because I would really enjoy it as a whole, and I trust Anet to implement it correctly if they ever would decide to.

Thanks for the responses, lets get more people to comment on this. If the idea grows large enough we may see it in an upcoming expansion 'eh? That would be really, REALLY neat. And I try to make serious suggestions, not "gawd qit nerfing .rangers@! 1!1!!1!!!" threads.

--Edit--

In response to Manadar's town question. Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. Ascalon settlement is a good image to think of when you consider the idea of a "town".

Holoman · Jun 12, 2005, 12:16 AM // 00:16

Yeah, I would love to see epic style battles like 30 vs 30 or even more. I don't care about individual player skills and small group tactics. If you want that you can always go to the regular arenas that already exist.

PieXags · Jun 13, 2005, 02:59 AM // 02:59

Alright I'd like to see this idea more than just die off in the dark, so lets go and do this.

If there are those who think they would enjoy and support this form of PvP, just place a put a /support with your character name. (And then watch yet another one of my insanely brilliant suggestions die off in the dark.)

/support

Pie Xags of Origin

theclam · Jun 13, 2005, 03:09 AM // 03:09

I'd love to try WoW-style Battlegrounds in GW.

/signed

ManadartheHealer · Jun 13, 2005, 03:09 AM // 03:09

/support

Manadar the Healer

Teh Azman · Jun 13, 2005, 04:25 AM // 04:25

/support CUZ THIS WOULD BE AWESOMELY INSANE!!!!!!

Anarchist_Monk · Jun 13, 2005, 05:43 AM // 05:43

This sounds almost exactly like Dark and Light. I don't know if that game has come on the market yet, but I was signed up for the betas before I knew about the GW betas. Their basic thought was to have a huge world(actually I believe their land scape generetor created like an equiliant of like 15 acres i belive they said at one point per player in the world) and one side of it was the Dark nation's and the other side was the Light nation's. Every now and then they had huge castles that could be controled by either side, but to gain control you had to just storm the castle and surrounding area with as many people as you could. I never actually got to play it because I was tired of waiting since they weren't accepting anymore applicants so i joined gw. But this would be an awsome thing for gw to have. The only problem is that the game doesn't require high speed internet, somone with dail up can play it. If you were to change this you might have to change the requirements, which would screw me up cause I have something only a little faster than dail up. But I think this is something they should seriously consider in future expansions. This would make a true Guild War.

goldfinger · Jun 13, 2005, 05:48 AM // 05:48

Just so long as it is financially fiesable, I would love this. No one can argue the utter allure of the largest of large scale fights. Like, think of the possibilities shall we? A thunderous siege complete with castle, map based siege weapons (both offensive and defensive) etc. etc. etc. Or perhaps a 3 way "risk" style of game based on defending/attacking towns, etc. etc. etc. I mean, it might not carry the balanced pvp experience of the arena's but who cares? It would be all in good fun and the gvg and HoH would still hold the prizes and ranks. I don't care if it is a WoW style of idea, because it could possibly be a great one.

I also think that a good way to kind of bring down the massive queue that the WoW battlegrounds experience carries (Although the alliance horde imbalance problem would not be evident in guild wars) Is to set up a reenforcements system, where a person joining hangs out in a lobby and when a certain number of people die then the new fresh soldiers are tossed into the fray.

I also like this because it would toss more "Massive" into the MMO that is guild wars (I am not willing to accept that "not an mmo" crap because all it does is create a quick escape for those trying to debate with me about guild wars vs WoW).

God, I honestly am working myself into a frenzy thinking about how cool this could be, a 20 on 20 game would just be fackin unreal. I am disgusted at the thought of anyone trying to go against this.

Although, let it be said that I am in now way sick of the pvp arenas.

Anarchist_Monk · Jun 13, 2005, 05:59 AM // 05:59

can't those people that die just be ressurected? I think maybe once a player leaves the game another one can come in and take his place. I think that would be a little hard to program but it would even it out.

Rhombus · Jun 13, 2005, 06:14 AM // 06:14

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

I love the idea.

A question: The town's that you were defending would have to be like Ascalon Settlement, right?

It would also be cool if there were a guild version of this for guilds with >15 or so people. And you could have to defend your actual hall.

They need this.

seeing as you can play with 100s vs 100s, holy hell, yeah.
This Idea is really good. I haven't got to the part where you get bored yet, but I know I will because I am more of a PvE player than PvP (maybe cuz I suck). This should definately be implemented.

PieXags · Jun 13, 2005, 06:35 AM // 06:35

Good. I'm really pleased to see that there are actually people to support this idea. I love it, I NEED it. Guild Wars would just be so much FUN, if you could compete in battles like this. I'm also pleased to see that this thread isn't on page 3 again.

Keep the idea alive peoples, lets let the devs know we actually want something like this.

shadow ranger · Jun 13, 2005, 01:42 PM // 13:42

Sounds like chaos, an i love it

It kina reminds me of the castle thing that was on the beta and E3 for everyone, where it was one side defending, i think someone posted a thread about that somewhere..

Anyway, would there be a prize on it? like every time your team wins you get tokens that can be exchanged for fancy lookng armour and weapons?

Elena · Jun 13, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

i think more different classes would be picked for this cause in the end there will be lots of different classes attacking at youre door so the more different classes you have to counter whatever hey have will rule i would love to sit somwhere and shoot random arrows into the battle lol

ManadartheHealer · Jun 13, 2005, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by goldfinger

No one can argue the utter allure of the largest of large scale fights. Like, think of the possibilities shall we? A thunderous siege complete with castle, map based siege weapons (both offensive and defensive) etc. etc. etc. Or perhaps a 3 way "risk" style of game based on defending/attacking towns, etc. etc. etc. I mean, it might not carry the balanced pvp experience of the arena's but who cares?

Huge three-way siege, catapults to pound enemies to a pulp...